SNW "Lost in Translation" Review

Welcome to another edition of Strange new pod. I'm your flea captain. 

Guess I am taking that to motion this week because I want that new badge so bad, so bad. 

It's so pretty. I'm your fleet. 

Captain Julian Brown alongside the best bridge crew this side of Bannon's Nebula, Vice Admiral Eric is here looking at that fancy New Enterprise bars, cake menu and it does look good. 

So maybe you might have had enough cake today.
 I don't know, man.
 Did you have a lot of too much, too much.
 Definitely too much cake cake, co two chocolate cakes. Nice. 

I had a double one was in the shape of a giant Oreo. Nice.
 It was so thick.
 That's what she said. 

Sorry, it's not me.
 I'm very happy.
 I had to you vigorously happy.
 Yeah, growth.
 Um Great.
 We're starting this one off while.
 Oh man, I had a double chocolate bar and that was really good. 

I had the ice crunch today. 

It was, it was fantastic. 

Kara is here and no, she doesn't want a fucking cookie. 

She wants to marvel in the amazingness of aura and this episode and finally Lieutenant Commander MC is here already with about 1000 ways. 

This episode references the Calvin verse. 

Um I can do that with any episode. 

I know you can but like really this one like really this one. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Welcome back and welcome aboard. 

How are you guys doing tonight? 

Yeah, Eric's full of cake. 

You're full of glue MC M CS full of, of Sass. 

I don't know, full of some full of Kelvin verse. 

She's filling up luggages, filling up luggages. 

That's right. 

That would have been the better thing to say. 

That's right. 

And if you notice someone missing. 

That's right. 

Commander Hawk, he's currently playing with the live Enterprise Band and will be back with us next week. 

Um Before we get started bringing on a serious note real quick, I'm actually gonna hand it over to Eric because I think out of everyone on the pod, you're the most familiar 

with everything that's going on because we want to show our support for the S A and WG A strikes. 

Yep. 

Um So I think um I'm trying to think of how to, how to word this. 

We, we have so many people um that we've met through this show and we respect and we're friends with now and right now they're going through this, through this negotiation with the, with the studio. 

So both the Writers Guild of America and the Screen Actors Guild of America have gone on strike and we fully support them 100% of this pod. 

So many of us wouldn't have met each other if not for, you know, these artistic people that, you know, bring this love to the screen and sharing that love with us is, is amazing. 

And, you know, everyone deserves fair pay and fair compensation. 

And the, the use of artificial intelligence in both the writing and acting sides of things is scary, especially when we don't know how they're gonna use, how studios are gonna use it and how honestly irresponsible, what they've said has uh that has come out. 

So we stand with the writers, we stand with all the creatives, the actors um during the strike. 

So I don't know if we want to, is there any announcements we want to say like, I know we can't do extra things for the pub we can't promote and we don't want to, well, you know, obviously, like we're not going to say, hey, like go sign up for Paramount Plus or any of that. 

And, you know, we, we do interview actors every now and then the writers that stuff is going to stop and if they came our way, which hopefully they shouldn't and wouldn't, we would turn them down. 

So um it's just gonna be us doing reviews and stuff for a while, kind of no extras. 

Um There, there's some other things that we have to figure out with stuff that we hadn't planned in place before. 

But um we'll keep you guys updated with all that obviously, but as Eric said, we are in full support. 

Um I am gonna give you a very quick shout out to one of my dear friends from the fandom I've known for like 20 years now. 

Um That's my friend and SG A member, Brian Patrick Doyle. 

He made a really informative uh tiktok on what exactly both these unions are fighting for and uh like what Eric touched on a lot more detail about how scary all this shit is that's going on with A I. 

So and I can add also that, you know, I mean, you guys live in Toronto, I live in Southern California. 

Um The industry is vital to where we are like, I know so many people working for the studios or with the studios and we know the, the the prices here also like the rent in Southern California is just absolutely insane. 

People cannot live decently without like leaving wages that are decent and make sense. 

Um I mean, that's also also that simple pay people leaving wages for the place where they have to work. 

That's Toronto and L A and many other places.
 But these two places are really, really central to the film industry nowadays. 

So yeah, just pay people for the work they're doing and don't intentionally drag out negotiations so that people will actually lose their homes. 

Don't threaten a fucking starve writers out you horrible, horrible, horrible people. 

Um and I will, you know, the other thing I'll, I'll announce is if you're ever going on Twitter to try and form and talk about these things and you're talking about a CEO, make sure to put in parentheses how much they're making because it's, it's ridiculous. 

It's absolutely ridiculous. 

Um, also if you see the people striking, honk their horns, give them food or, you know, just go and give them love. 

Yeah, they are, they are currently um fund raising to help people get some money during the strike. 

Um being able to feed their family or pay rent. 

Uh We can post some of those also like I don't have them like right now in my mind, but you will be, you'll be able to find them on our discord and on our um so uh socials, I suppose. 

Yeah. 

Yep. 

Yep. 

Everybody good, everybody good on the strike. 

Any anything else you want to touch on? 

Cool this week? 

What happens when the Enterprise and Frog run a joint mission to get a deter plant operational? 

But Aurra begins to hear a signal that can't be heard by anyone else. How does Hemmer?
 Yes.
 Hemmer returns in this one? 

Woo, woo, woo. 

Uh How does he factor into this episode? 

Why is there brotherly tension between Jim and Sam? 

I mean, because they're brothers but other reasons too. 

How does this show handle Kirk's first meeting with aura? 

And why is there also? 

Speaking of tension more of it between una and plea. 

We're gonna break it all down. 

But first we need to thank our amazing patron collective at the ready room level and above and uh because Hawks on here, he was going to read them. 

I don't get to read them often and keep the order. Pristine for our next show.
 I will do them. 

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 I was thinking about it for a second. 

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And yes, that was Mal read. 

Not Malcolm Reed, but a great it was like he's back with his pineapple and a big thank you guys as. 

Always to our executive producers, Commander Chris Simon Steger and the Chief Ernesto Castan. 

I will say the, the executive producers got to spread their wings a little bit this week, they get to ask guests the questions and even though we are gonna probably not have 

as many guests uh As long as these strikes go on, uh Commander Chris got to add in that little bit about the bacon in our interview with uh Jordan Canning. 

So everyone was thinking about everybody was thinking about it.
 So uh you never know it, it pays to be an executive producer.
 Um That's right.
 So draft, I believe that as people are listening to this, you're somewhere else right now. Where are you? 

Like, I'm, I'm in two places at the same time, I'm here and with MC, we're here at the same time at San Diego Comic Con. 

Uh I'm right now, I think hosting a panel about science and evolutionary biology uh where I'm just here to crack jokes and uh you know, not give too much information on science personally. 

And I'm watching that panel, I was gonna say if you're there watching that panel, are you wearing that amazing dress that you made? 

Uh I was actually planning to wear the shirt so that I had some continuity for the day. Yeah.
 So see, I, I'm not gonna be wearing this shirt.
 No continuity for me. 

Um uh I hope uh MC is enjoying the panel I think it's very good even it's very light. 

Uh, and we'll be at a new Comic Con, uh, the whole five days, I mean, four days, 4.5, I suppose. 

Um, don't hesitate to come see us. Maybe you already found us today. Who knows?
 Who knows? 

Uh, we'd be glad to say hi. 

And we're gonna cover, I suppose, comic books, we'll, we'll see what's going on. I have, I have some plans.
 I'm very looking forward to going through Artist Ally.
 That's always one of my favorite things to do. 

Musicians, musicians will be here. 

So there is plenty of stuff to do at Comic Cons even with writers and, and uh actor striking. 

Uh I will say that uh MC hit it right on the head. 

Uh Artist Alley is awesome right there. 

That Boca Tan poster is from San Diego Comic Con Artist Alley. 

So support artists because they rock. 

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If you're not lucky enough to get our seats.
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I don't know. Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah. 

Um, you can go pot hopping as long as you park your shuttle back home with us. That's all we have.
 Yeah, exactly.
 That's right. 

Um Eric, we ordered your awesome uh your pride, uh, discovery postcards, which look awesome, but we, yeah, we finally did something with those after the failed bid. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Uh I had to find a good postcard place. 

I, I hope they're awesome. 

They looked awesome when I made them online. 

So hopefully they look just as good as a postcard. 

Thank you all for being so patient. 

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No stranger loop this week as there is a ton of content in this episode, like everyone got featured almost in this episode, which is pretty cool. 

So we're gonna get right into it.
 It is our review of episode 206 of strange new worlds lost in translation. 

Our roundtable order tonight, we'll go giraffe MC Eric followed by myself, you know, hey ha had the best order, four episodes in a row. 

I want to say I'm very happy about whatever. 

Well, Eric missed two so you could thank him partially and Hawk's missing this one tonight. 

So you could thank him for this one. 

Um It probably means you're going last for what is more than likely the uh from everything we know, at least uh we haven't gotten anything so we don't know but more than likely the crossover. 

So, first on this one, I know this is a great episode. 

I want to be on the other one. It's perfect.
 It's perfect.
 Um Let's get into this one guys. 

Uh Before we really get into the, the main parts of the episode, there is a, a I just want to start by acknowledging what the production team did uh for this episode um with the enterprise in this nebula which the production team named after Melissa Navia, late husband Brian Bannon. 

Uh How, how awesome is this for them to do that? It's really great, especially for this episode.
 Yeah, it's, I don't think there's another answer.
 No, there's not. 

It's just, it's a really nice thing. 

I think it shows also how much they care about each other and how they are here to like, support each other. 

I love to see that with the disco crew and, um, I love to see that with the strange new worlds crew. 

Yeah, I agree.
 Uh, let's talk about the signal, right. The signal and Hemmer's return. 

People have been wanting it and it's not a full flooded return, but we still get to see the man, the myth, the legend, Chief Hemmer while the enterprise is trying to get Starfleet's new refinery up and running aura alerts now. 

Fleet Captain Pike that she was receiving a signal, but it disappears. At least she thinks it disappears because she thinks it's a signal at first. Right.
 Um It is going to be something we're going to talk a lot about more. 

It's a major part of this episode, but she thinks it's a glitch. 

So she decides to run a full diagnostic on the communication system and she's able to do this with the help of some recordings she made of Hemmer, teaching her how to do it. 

How do we feel guys about this being the way that we get one Bruce Hock to hammer back? 

Um Both of these videos as well as via the form of communication, the nebula aliens used. 

So II, I have to say that the ringing in the ear because they already did it in a piece. 

Three. 

I was like, don't we have like any other way to show us that she's hearing something. 

I don't know. 

I was just like, oh OK. 

Ringing in the, at the beginning I actually thought it was a full of like a full of what happened. 

Yeah.
 Episode four, sorry. 

Episode four, I was like, oh, is the mind thing back and no, it was something totally different. 

Like, sorry, you're not supposed to remember what happened to epis before. It's episodic giraffe.
 It's episodic.
 We forget what happens between EPI Z but in this epi actually, we do not. And that's something that I really like. 

Like we see Hammer, we see them process their grief and talk about him and his absence. 

And II, I did like that because, you know, last week they just forgot about everything that 

was that ever happened on Star Trek. 

And we're back to a series that remember what happened on Star Trek. 

So I'm game, I'm here for this. 

Um I, the moment where she opens the video and watch him, I was like, oh my heart, oh my God. 

Like so emotional. 

And I just, I just like that they're still exploring this relationship even if he is not here anymore. 

And it's a little bit too bad that we saw that we do that like postmortem basically. Um, because I would have liked to see that in season one also. 

But yeah, it's, it's so on point on the how I imagine Hammer to be, you're asking me to do the same thing too many times. 

So, uh you're gonna do it and uh here's the tutorial and just go away remembering that she was a cadet back then. 

So he was letting a cadet mess around in the nestle following a tutorial, he met on a pad and I think it's giving so much. 

I don't know if it's, it's giving Scotty but it's, it's giving really like engineering shift that cannot be bothered anymore. 

I just have like a little bit II I had a question when I said it. 

But then throughout the episode, I, I saw how, why it was here but how do you just go and mess around in the cell when you know there's a new chief engineer, you know, like, like politeness, work ethics would like, want you to be, hey, so I had that deal is that so cool. 

You know, because you don't want to go step on people's job basically. Um, but I liked how it was actually explored with showing up. 

I don't know if we're talking about this right now, but showing up and being, hey, you never talk to me. 

And then I was like, oh, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about this, I'm game because you've all been ignoring that for like five episodes now. 

And, and I'm a bit surprised how everybody has been so hard on plea because they, I mean, I know they're part of a crew but Hammer is not the first person they'll lose and, and, and they know that and I'm sure even by rotation people just go and move. 

I mean, we see it in lower deck when Mariner is so pissed at, uh for going on the Titan. 

Um, but that's part of the job like you, you lose people and it, it's interesting to see how, um, important was Hammer that they really don't want his a spot to be filled. 

Um So, yeah, I really like that. 

Uh, so much of what said, um I really love seeing Okra um just taking charge with everything. 

Um, they, this does seem to be something that they have carried through episodes this season and it's a, a character choice that I really like for AA and kind of informs a lot of the stuff that happens in T OS and that's just how dedicated to her job. 

She is like at episode one, she was just like, get away from my console. This is mine. 

And in this, she's just like, I'll, you know, run the full diagnostic and yes, she's still trying to figure out the whole, you know, work breast balance, which is very much something that happens when you're grieving and not dealing with it. 

Uh but also something that happens when you're 21 and new in a job and it's just like I want to impress everybody. 

Uh so just overwhelmed by everything you have to do. Also overwhelmed. 

Yeah, it's like let me keep working because if I don't stop working, then nobody could be disappointed in me and you don't know how to prioritize also. 

Let's be Exactly. Yeah. 

Um The part of uh watching uh the video um I'm gonna get the when I do this um because I got cheery when I was watching it today. 

Um Right now I'm in a very difficult time because my mom's what would have been my mom's 78th birthday was on the 13th and she died 13 days later. 

So this time is kind of very much a reflective time for me when it comes to her. 

And when you're in that kind of situation, having just the dumbest reminder of them is so great because my mom's voice is still on our answering machine because we still have a landline in my house. 

Because my dad is old. 

So if I call home and nobody answers the answering machine picks up and I hear my mom. 

So who are watching this video, which is just this tutorial. 

But you can feel all of like the happiness at being able to see this little, um this little piece of their relationship, which is something that's completely gone now. 

But she can kind of relive it through this. 

She is enjoying it, but also has this grief that she still hasn't quite expressed yet. 

It was really well done. 

Uh And um the stuff with, um I think they really need to use Pea more. 

She was good in this episode. 

Um And I do think they're kind of establishing that the reason why they haven't used her as much is because they're all still trying to get over Hammer. 

Um I mean, of course, I think the real reason is Carol Kane is probably very expensive. 

Yeah, they couldn't have like Carol Ken and Mia Kirchner at the same time. 

Yeah, it was hard enough doing her with Paul Wesley for this episode. 

So, but I, I do think that it's a um an interesting way as part I would say with Okura, it makes sense. 

Her not interacting with plea. 

I will talk a little bit more later about Pea's interactions in terms of Hammer because I have different feelings with other characters, but it worked very well here. 

And I do think that we're really kind of establishing aura as she was very much an en enigmatic character in T OS. 

And everybody used to make the jokes of, oh, she's just, you know, the space secretary, you know, all she does is repeat what the computer says. 

But we see here just how much more her job actually entails and just how dedicated she is to it. 

And I think that's one of the reasons why we didn't, well, other than the misogyny and racism, why we didn't see more personally from her because she does make herself so much of her job. 

Um Thank you by the way for sharing what you shared about what's going on with you right now and your mother because I totally understand and feel that and that was beautiful. 

So, thank you, Eric.
 What can I add to that?
 And that's why you last.
 See, that's why you don't want to be last. 

Um That being said, like, like everyone said earlier, like watching Aura, watch the Hammer message was heartbreaking and heartworm because you saw how connected they were even though we didn't see it in the first season, unfortunately. 

Um And really this is what that scene um did for me because you saw Hammer and immediately I'm just like, oh man, I wish we got more of him and then we see PP show up. 

I'm like, here's someone I haven't seen this season either. 

I wish she um had showed up more or at least they had u utilized her more and we're halfway through the season, like, I hardly know her and then, you know, like sarcastic or like jaded me is sitting there. 

I'm like, if she dies or leaves in episode nine, I'm gonna be super pissed. 

This better not be a thing every season where they just keep on getting a new engineer because I would hate that. 

Um That being said, like this scene was beautifully acted, beautifully shot. Like this is why you pay your writers and your actors properly, right?
 For scenes like this, the part of strike. 

Yeah, that's right.
 Um I loved, I love seeing Hammer on the video. 

I think that if you were going to bring him back and listen, we'll talk about it more later too. 

The other ways that they brought him back I thought was very brilliant as well. 

Um But this was just so beautiful because I think everybody who's lost someone wishes they had something like this because not everybody does, especially, you know, I lost my mom when I was five. 

We didn't have iphones or, you know, things like that to be able to have videos like that. 

I would kill to have something like that. 

So um it was, it's really beautiful and it was a fun way to bring back. 

I also just have to say like, I, I love how much like the immediate like concern that, that pike has for her, right? 

Like his tone of voice and everything. 

Like everything was really well acted, not just in that scene but throughout this episode with like, you know, we talk a lot about how like Starfleet doesn't care about mental health and I feel like they forgot about that for an episode and like really, you know, they still, they still kill a guy because nobody was, nobody was really worried about that dude who was like seeing shit. 

They were like, yeah, it must be a headache. Go rest, right? 

And they did tell her to take a break but did she really like they didn't really give her too much shit about it. 

Yeah.
 So it's, it's better than some episodes.
 It's still not perfect but no, I like but like there's concern and it's somewhat taken care of. So um Yeah, yeah.
 Uh Let's talk more about Ur's visions, right? 

Because throughout the episode, she receives them from the beings that live spoilers by the way, um within the deter inside the nebula images like and we can talk about this some more a zombie like GFI version of Hammer which by the way, makeup team Bravo, Bravo. 

Um the shuttle craft accident that we know her family was in, right.
 Um Dead crew members in the hallways of the Enterprise.
 She sees like an evil, not evil but like a shadow version of herself.
 Um all the, all the show that the Enterprise and the station were, were hurting them. 

How do we feel about this being the way the show, um the way the show showed differences on how other beings communicate and that kind of being, you know, and who are being the vessel and Ramon and another officer maybe not being able to handle those visions in the same way draft. 

Um So, you know, I'm a language nerd, right? 

Um And I, I have criticism because some things don't really make sense, but I'm so glad that they used a non vocal um language and a civilization, I suppose of people and aliens, I don't know who can't, we're trying to contact and not the opposite because very often it's to who tries to contact and tries to be able to communicate and to be understood. 

And it's kind of rare that we have the opposite like we saw it in discovery with the 10 CS, right? 

It's them that want to be understood and try to find a way to communicate with these um uh the 10 CS. 

And here it's the opposite. 

And I like the fact that at the beginning they don't even understand that something is trying to communicate, which is most probably what would happen if we ever do first contact. 

Because there are chances that and uh the other beings, we'll use the same frequencies that we can hear uh words and sound and all this is kind of not high like even a sentient and who would try to communicate with us would use pheromones and we just can't even perceive that they're trying to communicate, you know. 

So these d uh there's so many other ways to coming.
 So I was really into the fact that all once it was not just, oh, I'm hearing a signal, you 

know.
 And then, like, like the go, I will never forgive them. 

The light more Latin language, Latin alphabet, English language like ps they didn't first season. 

So I really like that, that, that attention they brought and they were like, OK, she's an incredible communication officer. 

What if we throw her like a humongous curveball of it's a language that she can't actually hear that she can't actually decipher. 

I would have love for love for, to be in that position, for example, you know, and like, you see how brilliant she is and how like the moment where she goes click and then, which is like the same moment where in the Kelvin verse, I win. 

You got there first. 

I got there first when she looks at the video, you know, in beyond and goes like it's them, you know, like the same, they're communicating. 

And I, I found it very beautiful. 

My only like minus is that already between civilization, like human civilization or process of death and how we see death and how we understand death and death and why we grieve is so already wildly different that the fact that these alien were able to tap into the right emotion. 

Exactly. 

That would give her the, the meaning that what she was, like, what they wanted to say it was like, ok, like they understand our civilization better than a lot of people, I suppose that actually leads me to a really good question draft for you. 

Do you think that the only reason that they were maybe able to is because maybe at the time she'd maybe just watch the videos of hammer that, that was something that was like at the top of her psyche that, that meant that they were able to recognize that that was clear or that was, you know, or that was, which I don't know, it's Star Trek, like I, I'm gonna like, it's a good point but I'm just like the moment where she interprets everything and be like, they showed me that because it means that they showed me that and he was like, not necessary. 

Like I could find like 10, I try and I was like, I'm going to try if I can find another way to interpret like this thing, you know, and I totally can, you know, it could be like, it just, she's so good, she finds the right answer right away. 

But I, I really liked it and I, I like the fact that it's a, a good way also to explore her backstory uh without going through flashbacks without like, you know, doing a wall episode that is only centered around like something that happened in the past. 

So I thought it was very elegant and very, a very nice way to make a centric episode where she's the bad ass. 

She's the smart one.
 You learn stuff about her and you see her also interacting with everybody.
 So, I mean, and I wanted to say one more thing and now for sure it's gone, he's gone. Damn it.
 Damn it, it'll come back, it'll come back.
 Think hard, think hard while you think hard MC gone.
 OK.
 Um I absolutely loved this.
 I loved being able to get more of backstory. 

I loved seeing her put stuff together, that being said and I think I might have talked about this on my youtube channel in season one that I would like to see stories about aura that don't have to do with grief. 

So I, this one is great. I love this one. 

This is the last one they get though because they dealt, they dealt with it in Children of the comet, they dealt with it and all those who wander and now they have this one where it's, you know, you know, three episodes is a good arc for that. 

Let's move on to another. 

I feel the end actually says that, I mean, yeah, I mean, I can, I can understand, I can understand that too. 

Um That we did need to deal with Hemmer's death. 

Um But I mean, just considering how few episodes we've gotten the fact that this is the, and I mean, we've kind of had the same complaint about Spock where it's just like you 

guys would keep on hitting the same beats with all of these characters. 

But that's, you know, that's not to say that I didn't love it because I did. 

I'm just like you guys are on notice at this point. 

Um And I enjoyed the idea of the aliens, you know, sharing, you know, the these visions as a way to communicate, felt a little contacting to me. 

I was, I was thinking, yeah, yeah.
 Oh I remember what I want to say.
 I'm going to write it in the chat so I don't forget, go ahead. 

No, just say, oh I was gonna say they were like, so it's giving like T OS episodes also, but in a good way, like the moment where she fights herself, it's so the enemy within the enemy, within like it's not, I wonder if it's not even like the same like, but is also the look on her face, right? 

It's, it's very, it's very much like Shatner's face in that. 

I was like, that is the like done well, I'd say if that's even possible, but I know uh Yeah, it was, there was a lot of like T OS ID like the cloud very obsession, you know, there something driving people crazy, driving people to their death. 

Um the enemy within with like this over you roaming around, not you remembering what you've done. 

Uh And we were speaking about like the previous episode, how they were trying to do T OS but like failing at bringing it to the level that is 2023. 

And I think this episode is very T OS but at the same time, very elevated, very, very elevated. 

That's what I want to say. 

Now, I completely agree with you on that. 

Uh This, this does have like a very elevated T OS feel to it and I'm here for that. 

Um I would say that this is the second episode we have that like all those who wonder was kind of like part that was like more of an ensemble everybody piece. 

Uh But it did have a lot of in it. 

So this is the second one after Children of the comet. 

And giraffe is probably gonna totally disagree with me on this because she kind kind of already did. 

But in that episode, we also did a um communicating it differently like uh not in a way that, you know, humans can really understand and even in a way that uh doesn't really understand till right near the end. 

And are you talking about with the music? Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah. 

Um Oh And IA I appreciate that, but I would also like to see III I guess maybe it's something that's either really hard to do or you know, not very exciting to have somebody acting as, you know, like a linguist and, you know, translating things and I have my own views of what Hora's like, actual role on the enterprise should be. 

Um, iii, I always felt that she should actually do more ambassadorial stuff. 

Like, actually, like going with the captain and, like, because, I mean, I feel like that would, you know, if you're in coms that, you know, if you're the one who knows all the languages and, and I mean, we also know that she like researches like the, the customs and stuff like that. 

So I would like to see her, her doing that, but I'm apparently the only one who thinks that no, I would like to see that too for sure. 

Yeah. 

Um although I've never mentioned it before now, so I always just thought I was the only one. 

so ii, I mean, again, it's not that I dislike that they did it in this episode. 

Um The, the kind of unusual language, it's that, you know, I kind of like, you know, look at the episodes that they've done so far and it's just like you've had to, the next one you do has to be different. 

Um which is, you know, an overly critical thing to say it's fair. It's not fair. 

Yeah. 

Uh but I mean, especially because one of the criticisms we've been having of season two is that a lot of the stuff seems to be going over the same stuff that we've got over before. 

So it's like, ii I do feel the need to call it out because it's like if you guys are repeating the same patterns in season two, you gotta know not to do it in season three now. 

Um But yeah, no, this uh it was great to, to see her. We do all this Eric. 

I remember when we by me, we, I mean, I only saw the first trailer for season two, but they showed the crash and we were sitting there like, oh, they better not do a whole episode about this because we would hate that. 

And I'm glad that they used it as part of this, the communication and Harry started going over her grief with hammer. 

Um When she says, I see the irony in the communication officer that can't communicate and how it's actually a different form of communication and how she processes. 

I thought that was really, I thought it was really clever. 

I love the way that they, they use these scenes to help her to help aliens communicate with this crew like in a nonverbal sense. 

Um And then each, each scene was a little tidbit in her in her history. Like, why not?
 That, that's, that's amazing.
 I love her. 

She also has not been used super like that much in this season. 

So, you know, but like, like MC said, sorry, but like MC you said, um I do want to see her do something different and I, I want to see her be a communications officer and be a hero that way. 

I just have to take a moment, just say called it because when we did the uh the trailer episode and they showed the scene in the, the shuttle. 

Um I said, you know what, I bet you there's gonna be Hemmer is gonna be a spirit 

advisor or something like that.
 And I feel very much like we got that.
 I think you did.
 Um Yeah, speaking of spirit advisors, I, I loved all the images. 

I think that the cinematography like in this was like really good for all that the way they focused, like focused in on Hemmer and like the makeup when he's all zombified and gross. 

Like I wouldn't call this a horror episode by any means, but like the, the scenes that are horror like are very shot in that way, which I really appreciated. 

Um Yeah, and I'm II I just will take a brief moment to say that I'm really happy. 

We didn't get the, let's get her's entire tragic backstory because we don't need it. 

We just don't. 

Um I loved it. 

I I'm really glad that you remember what you said because I was thinking too, that hallway scene was so T os from the knife to her facial expressions. 

It was just like, oh I loved it. 

And there were so many other things that were T OS about this episode that I enjoyed. 

But, uh, this, this specifically, um, will the real James T Kirk? 

Please stand up, please stand up, please stand up. 

That's right. 

We finally get to meet for the first time. 

Yes. 

The first time for real, the real non alternate reality version of one James Tiberius Kirk. 

Um, to start, we find out through Sam that Jim has been promoted to the first officer position on the frog. 

Uh the youngest ever, which is ironic because the record before Jim being held uh was 

by their dad, George who was the first officer daddy daddy issues who was the first officer of the Kelvin. 

Sam, not too pleased about this as there seems to be sibling rivalry about who can better impress daddy uh thoughts on their BS and the introduction of Jim giraffe. 

Oh, so first of all, uh for a time is a charm, I suppose. 

Finally, Lieutenant Kirk, um that solo transporter arrival where you go around his legs and around his booty. 

And then like I was like Wesley, who's that? Who's that? 

And I was like, duh, it's scary like it was so drama that go rewatch that transporter arrival. 

It's like the 11 minute going around the enterprise of like the motion picture but make it transporter, you know, but um I'm here for siblings, you know, that it's like my favorite relationship to see in movies or you know, in, in shows because it's so rare that there's actual sibling like energy and I have siblings. 

So I relate. 

Um I was just glad to see them finally together because the only other time where you see them together, it's during operation annihilate and Sam dies, right? 

So literally William Shatner with a mustache. Yeah, he is dead.
 He's not, he's not even dying.
 Yeah. 

Yeah.
 You don't see him. Yeah. 

Um So I'm glad that you we get to have actually like a little bit their back story because we know there's something deep and something important for Kirk and we saw that already on the on episode three where the fact that his brother is alive, it means that it's the right timeline for him. 

So I'm really happy to see all these like venturing and I don't know, Sam. 

Sam is supposed to be the oldest one, right? 

I believe Sam is the oldest. 

Yeah, he's not giving like oldest energy like an old like I'm the oldest one and I'm like, I would never tell my little brother. 

Oh, you need to let me impress the parents. 

Like who does that? 

Like, I think Sam's definitely got a little bit of an inferiority complex, right? 

Like, yeah, I don't know, but he's on the black ship also. 

So that's a big deal. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

So I was a little bit puzzled by this but I was really happy. 

I I'm gonna say I was not a, I'm not a Kirk fan, like to start with. 

I, I like, because I think it's an interesting character but I really like what Paul Wesley, he's, uh, he's doing, I'm gonna make some enemies here. 

I know. 

But I do think that it brings these, um, levity and these, uh, badass at the same time, but all that by being like the kind of goofy guy you want to have in a group, you know, like it's like ad nd uh at the end of the party, you know, you need like certain type of character and you need the goofy guy who's gonna be, I got real cookies and then he's gonna go and shoot everybody like you want that, you want like you, you need that energy in the group and I think he's bringing it because there's nobody else that is bringing that energy right now in the crew. 

So, yeah, I was, I was really glad to see him. 

I loved everything like all the conversation we get so much like so much um back story and a little bit a Kelvin Kelvin drop here like Kelvin uh we're here the Kelvin, the George George. 

So no, I was, I was happy about it.
 Is that where until where are we going? Stay there, stay there.
 You're good.
 I'm not going.
 Not yet.
 Not yet.
 You're good.
 MC. 

I, I think this is probably the best place for me to talk about this and Julian feel free to jump in because I know you and I have had many conversations about this since we first watched this episode. 

And that's, I really like Jim in this episode, but I'm starting to have issues with how much we're featuring Kirk this season because, um I mean, you know, spoilers for the trailer, we already know there's another scene to him and it's making a sweat. 

So he's sorry, Eric. OK. 

Uh But so we know that he's gonna be in another episode this season and he was a big part in episode 203. 

And he's a big part of this episode so much.
 I would say that in both of those episodes, he is the uh the, the secondary protagonist. I know there's a proper word for it, but I can't put it right. 

Um uh So, yeah, they have a lot of him and the, it's like as soon as Kirk Kirk can't be a just supporting character, he's like the, you know, you know, £4000 rhinoceros in the room, he, he's, he's there. 

Um And considering how much we've been criticizing the overabundance of Spock this season, uh I think that it's also valid to call out the overabundance of Kirk because when you have those two particular characters have an overabundance at a show 

about Captain Pike, it becomes very glaring because frankly, we've had two television series about them already and two movie series. 

So Um Yeah, Julian. 

I know you and I have had many debates about this and you very much disagree with me because you're in love with Paul Wesley. 

I disagree also. 

I'm not in love with Paul Wesley. 

So I do, I'll, I'll talk about, I'll talk about it when it's my turn. 

But yeah. 

Yeah. 

No, you're ok. 

Yeah, I'm gonna let Eric, that I'll touch on what I mean. 

Um Kelvin. 

Kelvin. 

Kelvin reference. 

I can't with Kelvin reference. 

Um I'll mention this now because we don't have it in the notes uh to talk about the scene. 

I am a little bitter that we have two Kelvin references. Sandwiching a spa scene.
 Oh That's right.
 Yeah. 

Yeah.
 What was the other one? But the first meeting? 

Oh Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 No, just, it, it, it felt like a personal attack on me to have two references to Kelvin. It's true. 

It's true. Yeah. 

With, with this, with this spa scene which actually having them playing chess together um For her Spur fans of in the Kelvin verse. 

That's how, that's how Spock and Aura started dating in the Kelvin verse according to the comics is by playing chess together. 

So as I was watching that, I was like, oh, how dare you? Ouch Nice Eric.
 I love the brothers.
 Um the sibling rivalry. 

I think they work great together.
 Um Yeah, I'm down for the, the long part sequence, man. That was, I was into it.
 I was like, oh, yeah, I, I really, I really like one more. Yeah.
 Why not?
 Go back down, back up going on?
 I really like Paul Wesley, as you can tell. 

Um, um, that being said, I really want to meet George Kirk now, just based on what they've said about him and how he plays off of their emotions, I guess. 

And I really hope that they get Thor thinking the same thing somehow. Get Chris Hemsworth.
 That would be amazing.
 His wife was the voice of, of disco, right? 

So, why not? 

They like Star Trek. 

Money, money, money, money. 

Yeah, they'd have to cancel another show to, you're acting like Disney or something. 

Well, they might be down to the money they're getting from that. 

So that being said, I really, I do think they've used a lot of Kirk this season, but I don't mind. 

I really like him. 

Um It, this episode made me think I would be down if they did another T Os with these, with these three. 

Like, I, I'll talk about it in the end meeting, but I'm 100% fine with him. I liked um I like the swagger of Kirk with his brother.
 He's like, what?
 I'm just being me, I'm just being awesome. 

Just be awesome too.
 I was like, fuck, it's so Kirk right now.
 I love it.
 It's, it's, it's such a good intro to Real Kirk.
 Like we have because we, we've seen Alternate so far.
 So seeing him slow motion transport and then, and then have this. 

Awesome. 

Yeah, then he was Kirk in my mind. 

Yeah. 

Um You have to go all the way back, I think to our first like five episodes of the Pot or so to get my thoughts on how they would handle James T. 

Kirk on the show. 

And I think I said very clearly, like, I don't want a lot of Kirk. 

I have no problem with a couple of guest appearances because he's part of the Canon. 

He should be a part of the show in some way, maybe a couple of guest appearances and maybe you end this show with Pike giving the keys to Jim. 

Right? 

Cool way to end it. 

Boom. 

And then they cast Paul Wesley and I really just automatically got the vibe from him and I loved quality and mercy. 

And then I think we were talking about Wants and Don't Wants with the open pike. 

And we've been talking about him this season and like, I, I can't say that that's true for me anymore. 

Like Paul Wesley has taken this character and done him so well, whether it's an alternate version or the real one, we finally get in this. 

And I will say, I think my thoughts maybe would have been different. Had it not been done so well in this episode?
 But he's written so well that I just can't like, I want more of him.
 Like I want Jim Kirk to be more of these stories. 

Do I want more of Anton?
 Yes, that's why he signed on to do this fucking show. 

Um I want pike I know and we've talked about this now a little bit more, we have a little bit more information. 

I think he hasn't been featured as much this season because he was on Paternity Leave. 

Um which is fair but like this scene, like, it's everything I want. 

It's, it, it's got great T os vibes. 

We get to see the two of them, we get to see them talk about each other. 

They get to talk about George Kirk, the Kelvin. 

I mean, listen, I'm not even the biggest Kelvin stand but having that reference there is still just awesome. 

Like Paul Wesley is very much like I'm not a Shatner stand like at all and I like Chris Pine. 

Don't get me wrong, but like Paul Wesley has really done something with this character and really made him his own. 

And if he keeps showing up at this point, uh I've changed my tune. 

I'm very much all about having him in this and I, I adored this scene. 

Uh since, since everybody's ganging up on me, I'm gonna talk a little bit more about this. 

Uh I do, I do really like Paul Wesley as, as, as Kirk. 

He is currently probably tied for number one. 

Shatner is in the third spot. 

So fair. 

Yeah. 

Um, and I, you know, love all of the stuff with, with him and Sam and if they have more of him, like, that's fine, but they have such a fine line that they have to walk. 

I would agree with that when they, when they have them on because, I mean, like, this week you have an article coming out about how you're sick as I haven't even started it yet. 

But it's in my head, like, like we have characters that we've hardly know, like Ortegas, like we've had like, so little and we know way more about Kirk, like, even before the show started to get this much more. 

It's sort of, yeah. Yeah. 

This is one of the thing, one of the reasons why I'm critical of the focusing on Spock and Kirk is because these are characters who are very well fleshed out. 

And yes, it is cool to get to know that, uh that, uh that Sam and Jim have this sibling rivalry and apparently Sam's got a lot of daddy issues, but I'm a lot more interested in that from, from Sam's point of view because I want to get to know Sam more. 

Um And, and so, yeah, like, give me, like, give me like three more tega episodes before we get like some really meaty Kirk stuff. 

Like, let's get these characters that we don't know yet and we know why George doesn't like Stan. 

It's because he doesn't clean up his plates after he eats, like, doesn't, doesn't Spock at the end of the episode, clean up his wine glass too. 

Oh, my God, it's so good. 

I, I hope that this is a trend for the rest of the season. 

The bus boys in the bar love, they love him. 

They adore him. 

Maybe Spock does some side bartending, uh, when he's on his off time. 

Um, the kind of guy who does the bed at the hotel with the with the turnover in everything and so on the bed is perfect. 

They don't know if they the the the house cleaning came all that, you know, when they entered the room. 

Yeah, he makes the Bedwell chapel still in it. Are you fucking kidding me?
 No, you're not. 

That just was perfect.
 Um This episode is really important for Kirk for a couple of other big reasons. 

One it it and listen, like not so much for me, but there's so many fucking people on social media who just like feel the need to complain who Pike and Kirk have never met and this isn't Canon and it just shouldn't happen. 

Well, guess what it happened? 

It does keep the Canon of Kirk meeting Pike when he was promoted to fleet captain as mentioned in the menagerie, right? 

So y'all can't complain anymore. 

Um Because like there's a one liner I was like, have you ever met uh Christopher? 

But he was like, no, only, you know, briefly when he was promoted, fleet captain. 

This was a brief meeting and he was promoted to fleet captain. 

You can shut up. 

Now. 

I mean, these guys took the line and were like, ok, how can we make that something that works? 

It's like some, like, it's perfect though, right? 

Like, it's, it's like, it's the same way when I see, like, uh, uh, a go that is all like, hot glued. 

I'm like, it works. Are we calling that? Sewing?
 No, it's not.
 But it is, but it's fine. You don't?
 It's fine. 

Um, you know, I, I, yeah, yeah. 

And, uh, it also marks his first meeting with Aura, um, which is also a play on their first meeting in Trek 09, draft more, more on this. 

What do we think about this? Of Aura meeting Jim? 

And we just talked about being a, yeah, that scene when they meet at the bar, I was like, where's cupcakes? 

Uh, it, it was so fun and like, when she right away goes like, yeah, I'm not in the mood for, like, getting hit on and he was like, I'm not hitting on you and it's so perfect. 

It's so, I don't know how it's so, like, essential to how I would imagine the conversation would go down. 

Like, she's pissed. 

She needs a drink, you know, she goes in and that dude was here a stupid smile and, and I do believe he was not hitting on her. 

I do believe that, but it's true that when you were like, you want to drink and you're here and you're going to sit like that, any guy that's going to talk to you, you're like, no, no, go away. 

Um So I really like this but um II I thought it was such a good story.
 I imagine like they tell the story like later in their life.
 Oh Yeah.
 You remember the first time we met like you thought I broke my fuck. No, you broke my nose. 

Uh I don't know.
 He says that he was going to keep it a secret secret.
 So it's not like a problem for her.
 But like I imagine at one point it becomes like, ok to tell the story. But I feel it's like such a great way to start uh like a friendship. 

It great way to to be like, oh you remember I met you in like this stupid circumstances. You took me for an idiot and then you broke my nose.
 It's like core memory.
 I like, I wonder what he was doing following her though. 

He may have just been leaving, right?
 Like he had finished, he was done with his drink. She actually left her drink like completely.
 Yeah, she left her drink.
 I was a little annoyed by that.
 Yeah, me too.
 I was like, I'm glad I'm not.
 So and brandy can we acknowledge?
 They have like the bottle for the soy and brandy. I really like that.
 I want to go to that set so badly.
 Very good to us.
 Like, very, very on point to us. 

Um No, II I, that's what I liked in that episode is that it's kind of like seeing a core memory of one of the characters, you know, like things that, uh from, I don't know, the final frontier. 

She would tell you that story, you know. 

Yeah, like when she's meeting like some cadets or like maybe at the funeral of Kirk, she would tell that story. 

You know, I met that guy.
 I thought he was gonna hit on me and then actually hit on him, you know, like I imagine 

like I, so I love seeing that episode for me. 

It was like seeing a piece of history, like a piece of like a history book of how all these like character ended up in T US. 

So, no, I, I loved it.
 I think it was really flawless. 

I know I'm, I'm I have the ping goggles on because that's like everything I wanted from stranger world since the beginning. 

Um So, yeah. 

No, I loved it and I suppose we're going to speak about the final scene. 

But that also, yeah, same thing, same thing. 

This scene was everything I wanted after a super boring scene. 

It's so boring. 

We didn't even talk about it. 

Ouch. 

Am I wrong though? 

I don't think so. 

I OK, sorry. 

Can I can I go back on if we need to speak about that scene. 

I think it was like tone deaf into that episode. 

It felt like out of the blue like it was, yeah, it was like we have to talk about last uh Yeah. 

Yeah, exactly. 

I was just like, oh yeah, these guys, I forgot about them, you know, already. 

I did like how Chappel was like explaining the fact that dude, like when it's the beginning of thing, like, I don't know if it's even a thing and I thought it was really well explained. 

Like, don't let people look in until you're certain that the cat is alive. 

And I think it's such a good example and it's a good advice and a good way to put it and to see also that she takes it seriously, but she takes her career seriously also, she's not like all about like, she's like, dude, like, OK, it's a, maybe it's just a thing, maybe it happened, maybe it will happen. 

And I love to see also Spock being fucking obnoxious, like shut the, but it was so Spock too. 

Like you talking about like going back to T OS.
 He was like a little bit of that memo, sarcastic Spock in there, which I really appreciated. 

I like it and I just felt that that, that, that scene had nothing to do here and I, I thought it could have like, I don't know, it was again, she's so, you know, which I don't like, like she could have said it with more, you know, more certainty, more like affirmation being more like, look, this is very early. 

Let's not do that. 

Um, but yeah, I, I just feel it was not the place for that episode but it didn't need to be in this episode at ever. 

They, like Eric said they shoe horned it in because of the events of the last episode. But I like that scene a lot because it gives us one of the best lines of the episode. 

Uh ignores the doctor's orders part, uh the doctor's part about doctor's orders like that could have been a bone. 

I mean, there's, there's no problem with like the aurora part of the scene that is not, the part was very good also, like she just jumps in and she was like, the, I was like, don't try to logic that dude, he's gonna, he's gonna bring you into a corner. 

You don't know how like, but I like, I actually really like aurora, like bringing up the logic because, you know, has always been like very kind of like challenging of Spock. 

Um And I, and I think like, her character was actually like, was, was supposed to be kind of a match for him in terms of, you know, logic. 

So I like that part.
 But anyways, yes, onto the aura and Kirk part. 

I mean, I, I think as soon as I can't remember who I was talking to while I was watching this episode. 

But I was immediately like, Kelvin reference uh because this scene is just like, it's, it's a Kelvin reference. 

Like there is no way that the writers did not watch that scene from 09 right before they watched this. 

Like, is that, is that, do you think it's a canon event? 

Like they have to meet at a, like it's a fair to like you have fixed point and he has to hit on her and like, I don't, I don't think he was hitting on her. 

I think he was just like, you know, casually sitting there. 

But yeah, it's a fixed point that just got to get annoyed at him and I like that. 

So um I like the sense of like, and so because that's also Calvi, he doesn't know her first name and this is an yet another side of that we're seeing in this episode, seeing this kind of a little, a little more, you know, a little more brassy. 

This is, this is her digging into that Zoe Saldana uh kind of aspect of her which we haven't really seen before and fucking here for it, really love it. 

Um And yeah, um that uh including the, the fleet captain thing in there is so cheeky, it, it's so cheeky for them to do that. 

Um I'm, you know, the cannon, I care about cannon when I care about it.
 I mean, sometimes I really do care about it and sometimes I'm just like, whatever. 

Uh II I think the um if they decide to ignore something, I'm not a huge stickler for it, but when they acknowledge something, that's very cool. 

So I like that they did acknowledge it, but this means that since they are the, we know the writers are aware now they've written themselves into a corner. 

So it's like, oh no, we are keeping this piece up cannon, but they can't, they just basically like when he beams aboard the next time, like he's literally got like either wave to pike and not say anything or they just be like commander captain and that's it, right? 

Like no, when it's gonna be an episode, episode where they're, they're stuck in actually different, like the, the Jordie episode where Jordie and Roe are like, like they're out of phase or the Buffy episode. 

I see I referenced Buffy to where, where Willow and Buffy and Xander are like in the same place, but can't see each other. 

That's what's gonna happen next time with Kirk and Pike. 

Yes. 

Um I love the scene. 

I, I loved the, the homage to 2009 and I was really looking forward to seeing how um Wesley reacted or um interacted with um aura so um by M and Kirk. 

Um So, um I really like the way how they work together. 

I love the report I thought it was so cute and fun and like everyone said, it felt like you were watching history happen. 

It was so cool. 

It was such a cool moment and it like it would have been the top scene for me in this episode if that last scene didn't happen because that that scene just yeah. 

Um I I'm not gonna touch more on this because you guys hit it beautifully.
 Um I already said what I want to say about the fleet captain bit got you bitches. 

Um No, sorry, I because I am, I can definitely like MC said, I could be a Canon stickler too when I want to be and this is actually something I cared about like this is something I don't think they really could have fucked up and they did a really good job just throwing it in there. 

Uh The one thing I want to say is that when we, when we broke down the trailer, remember we said that when we saw them drinking together, uh we were like, oh she's really like annoyed with him about something, right? 

And I love that. 

It's actually not that scene that she's annoyed, but it is a scene of them drinking that she is annoyed with him. 

So I like that we were partially right about that. 

So in terms of the cannon moments, um I remember saying this once, I don't think it was on here, it might have been on my youtube, it's ok to can and break if you do it really well because if, if something is badly written, nobody's gonna care then people are gonna, that's the part that they're going to focus on. 

But if something's really well done, nobody cares or if it's because they're like helping the plots fit, you know. 

I mean, listen, I think it is a little bit stupid that they had to sandbox themselves in thinking you're not thinking that like fan boys would go crazy about this 50 years later. 

But I think it is kind of silly even though I think it's important that they kind of keep true to it. 

I think it is silly that, you know, I cannot say their names. Pike and Kirk never met. 

I mean, they met literally once and they both commanded the same ship, like you could probably recon that away a little bit more if you wanted to. 

So I don't know. 

So we, we end up getting this great team up right between Kirk and Aura after she breaks his nose. 

Uh Jim, Jim is like the only one really in this episode who believes that something else may be going on or at least has the instincts and like he says, the judge of character, you know, to trust her gut on this. 

Uh He uncovers Ramone. 

Um He helps aura follow up on her leads and they get to work with Sam and we get to see more Sam and Jim, which is great and we see some baby gorn skeletons by the way. 

Um Yeah, they, they get to do some science. 

Which Star Trek science? 

Yes, thank you. 

Um What do we think about them getting to work together? 

And then eventually also paving that way for aura to solve this thing and have the ability to bring it to pike. 

I thought, you know what it made me thought it, it made me think of that scene in discovery. 

I think it's uh it's during uh such sweet sorrow, the episode just before uh where Stam Spock and Burnham get to work together on like trying to make the, the suit. 

Like it made me, it had this feeling where it was like, oh my favorite people in the room 

doing science shit. Yeah. 

Um I really liked it and same the sibling energy like going at each other when like these guys are trying like to solve something. 

It was giving Spock and Michael when like, you know, Spock is like, I don't remember what's the dig he throws at his sister and she's like, always so on point like Spock or something like that. 

Always so like, and it made me think of this.
 Uh we found the tragic undertone of what was going on during such so. But yeah.
 Um I love anthropology.
 I'm so glad that it got like a shout out.
 I don't think that what he's doing is xeno anthropology.
 But, you know what, at this point?
 Who cares?
 I thought he was a xeno biologist, by the way.
 Did this change?
 Yeah.
 No, he is a xeno biologist.
 I believe so.
 Yeah.
 Real quick.
 Right. 

In his, they say he's a xeno anthropologist and, you know, a anthropologist, Michael is a xeno anthropologist but they're always like throwing them all together. 

Like he, next episode, he's probably gonna be a xeno zoologist because they're like, it's all the same. 

You've got all of the degrees for it. Well, yeah, but it's not the same.
 I know.
 But it, girl, I know it's not. 

But, you know, that these types of shows always just like nobody can, nobody's ever allowed to have one doctorate. 

They've always got to have five. 

Yeah. 

But, uh, normally it's his position as a science officer. 

It's like what he's doing is here to be the xeno biologist or the xeno anthropologist. 

And then it's not the same job, you know, but the fact that what they're doing, like at that moment, like, trying to figure out what was going on. 

I really liked it, first of all, um, that they brought like Sam in because, like, let's have a science person here to see what up because, nor Kirk, nor our science officers, all that memory office says that he's, um, he's in the Life Sciences department. 

I'm, I OK. 

I mean, somebody is going to fact check me and you please. 

DM, me because I'm giving a panel right now. 

But, um, I'm pretty sure in season one, they say it's a xeno biologist and then biology and anthropology are the same thing at all. 

And here he's doing xenobiology actually. Yeah. 

Um, because, like, he's speaking about how a species could communicate through things and I think it's more biology than anthropology but whatever. 

No, I liked it and I like that. 

Their expedition is like, so, like, technobabble but like can, can work, I suppose, you know, I like when they do that where it's like, it's like, OK, it's not, it's not outrageous, but I, I really like the scene. 

Yeah. 

MC. 

Uh So a lot of stuff in this. 

Um The first thing I want to talk about is, you know, the thing that I think is the, my favorite part of this. 

Uh and it's a sibling dynamic but not Kirk and Kirk. I wanna talk about James T. 

Kirk and Aura's sibling dynamic because my God, like, like is Kirk giving Big Brother energy when it comes to her? 

And I love this development because so many debates between people as to like if they had like a romantic thing during T OS or, you know, what was going on was Kirk like into her, was she into him? 

And I really like this dynamic. 

This, I, I, because I mean, what this makes sense like this is, this is totally, it's um you know, like the captain is always, you know, a father to his men. 

But for Big Brother and you can also, you can transpose it on two scenes of them together in T Os. 

And it's like, yes, I see that, you know, you know, uh is reacting to Kirk, not just as a captain but as kind of like this big brother mentor figure really, really like that. 

And it also really darkly, I mean, like Plato's stepchildren is really dark already. Yes.
 But makes it even darker.
 Yeah. 

Yeah, I was gonna tell you that when you said that I was like, oh that gives Plato's uh stepchildren a wall over leisure. 

Oh Believe me was already in my head. 

Oh That episode is just so um that episode is something I'm here also that Kirk's love language is food. 

I, I really, I really like, recognize it like it's real cookies and I like, I don't want to fucking, he was like, yeah. 

Yeah. Absolutely. 

And, and, and this is also like Julian and I were just yesterday having a conversation about the state of replication. 

I trended because of bacon. So, yeah.
 Yeah, I can.
 It's a bike. 

So I don't know what's going on. 

Yeah, but we were talking about replicators and they said specifically in this what they, what they use, I think it's protein res OK? 

Like they, they got to get their shit together, right? 

Because they've said replicators, they say they've said protein resequencing like it in, in it was protein resequencing in stranger worlds. 

It's been both.
 I don't fucking know.
 Just give me a chocolate chip cookie.
 I don't care, I don't care where it comes from.
 They were real chocolate chip cookies.
 So they, they put them in the oven with some cookie dough. That's, yeah. 

But by Picard nobody knows how to cook anymore.
 I know.
 Right.
 Because like Allison Pele is like Alison, what's her name? Whatever. 

She's super like, surprised at what cooking is. 

Then you put all this and you burn it and it was like, oh my God. 

What? 

So yeah, somebody needs to write a history of uh food and cooking in Star Trek. 

I want that. 

Oh dude. 

Like I would love to like if uh one of the like the comic companies or the novel companies would like to hire me. 

I would love to write a book about a character who basically just creates recipes for replicators because I would think that you would have to like create like Luna speaks about it in Q and A. 

Yeah, she's the one that created like the sequencer like one of the formulas for the sequencers. 

I think she, she created like a particular like version of protein that they use in the, whatever it was, whatever it is. 

Um And who I think it was giraffe who said that the whole breaking of the nose like, oh I should talk about that at Kirk's funeral. 

And that is now head cannon for me. 

And I also think she like, I mean, of course she talked, talked about it at the funeral. 

But you know, Scott, he got them all plastered many times and they always made uh tell the story of the time the story when he tried to hit on you and you broke his nose. 

He was not hating on me. 

I thought he was hitting on me. 

I mean, of course, like the thing is the story like grows over time. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, because of course it does. 

And it was a red alert and, and bones is probably just sulky in the corner about her like using the the fixer thing like improperly bone or cake medicine. 

Goddamn it. 

And I didn't notice that they changed that Sam's discipline, but I do chalk that up to the fact that multiple disciplinary scientists are just like standard on, on movies and television where it's just like, yeah, I have seven doctorates and it's like, oh, and you're a very bad doctor. 

If you guys, it shows that Kirk has no fucking clue.
 What's the speciality of his brother, which is very young, that's very, very valid. 

Like, ask my family what I'm doing and what I studied in university, they will tell you a wide area of things before telling you classics and archaeology. 

So totally possible. 

I could totally see that and that's why I will accept another Kirk episode if it's one where we're dealing with Sam and George Eric. 

Love the, the nose punch.
 Great.
 Um, I like that.
 Sam Kirk wasn't the butt of a joke for once. Like he was actually useful. 

I, I like that.
 I want to see more of that. 

He has hardly been in this season too, but it was nice to see him actually be useful even though it was sort of a nudge at uh Jim to be like, you know what I am smart, I 

can do things that you can't do. 

Um And you know, I like seeing science things. 

Um I don't know, I can't add anything more to these two. 

Like, so I'm in this spot, I'm fine. 

You should go first and then we should go after steamrolling this episode because even if you go like for five minutes, I know I can add more 10 minutes more. 

It's like my superpower. 

You know, the only thing that I really want to add is that I really like at the end of this episode when she's on the bridge with Jim and Pike and Pike is like, are you sure? 

And, and, um, and is like, I am positive and pike, you know, because like, listen Pike doesn't have 100% of the information. 

So he does give that look to Jim that, like, do I trust her? 

And without any kind of hesitation, like a lot of shows sometimes will play out the drama and like, it'll be a second before there's the nod. 

But he's just like, no doubt.
 Right.
 Has put all of his faith and trust in her. And I loved that.
 I absolutely adored that.
 I loved it. 

But I have many questions because she literally, he's a person that he's losing her mind having uh visions of bad people, uh a wolf thing going on and he just blows up a freaking factory. 

Like, but also I like the sentiment.
 I like the sentiment.
 But I was like, she's an, here's the, here's the thing. 

I think that if she hadn't been having those visions and hallucinations, pike would have done it just without asking Kirk. 

You think so?
 I I Yeah, II I think the fact that um uh we've already established how much Pike values. 

So I think that it was the fact that she was under stress that he actually had to look to Kirk for confirmation. 

I think, I think, I think if Ramon hadn't blown up in a cell that this actually would have been an issue, like how much trust like if Ramone's on a factor here, right? 

But like there's something going on, right?
 Like a dude literally injected himself out of in a cell and like damaged my ship. Weird shit's going on the station has been sabotaged.
 II, I buy it.
 I love that scene so much. 

Um Just like the chemistry between everyone like the scene was, we've, we've talked about the writing and I, I know that we try our damnedest in our hardest, like, not to like, criticize writers because they work really hard. 

And a lot of us do writing of our own, but like credit where credit is due. 

I felt like the writing on this episode for all the characters was perfect from dialogue to the to just like subtle looks like it was Chess Kiss. 

Um I don't, I mean, we, we, we went from like, it's a cage to why do you have crumbs on your uniform? 

I know we're gonna get to that very soon. 

Um Before we get to that, I don't want to spend too much time on this, but it is important uh to episode three, right? 

And Kirk do have a really nice but brief scene together where they connect and you know, we, we also learned some more even about, about George. 

What do we think about these two connecting?
 I, I, I'm just gonna ask at the moment where the theme of episode three, like the music 

shows up like that theme is so beautiful for LA and Kirk that every time I hear it, it's like pinch to my heart. 

That's the only like really like just like, oh, I feel like all the loss of episode three. Yet again, every time I hear like just that, that little theme.
 So big up.
 Nay, beautiful theme. 

Nice MC Uh So I'm gonna say something. I throw out something interesting here. 

So this is not based off of any spoilers we've heard, it's because we haven't heard any spoilers. 

Uh And this is the last thing we have not seen anything after we caught up on our screens, we have not seen anything. 

So, so we're going in blind. 

But uh this is something that I writers produce. 

Somebody mentioned in an interview. 

I think the reason why Kirk wasn't hitting on aura is because this version of Kirk is already with uh what's her name? 

Carol Carol Marcos. 

Carol Marcus because like, ok, he's, you know, teasingly saying that like, you know, oh, you still owe me that drink. 

But I mean, as we see in this episode, you can have a drink with somebody without it being like a romantic thing. 

And he also says it in a really non flirtatious way. Yes. 

So I, I'm, this is my prediction that I'm making now when Kirk shows up again and una is sweating because of the, the detention. 

It's gonna turn out that Kirk is already with. 

Carol.
 Carol beaming on like a few seconds later playing Marcus.
 Oh God, I have no idea.
 I, I don't even know who to guess from uh into darkness.
 I always forget her name.
 Carol Marcus.
 Oh You think the same actress?
 They would cast the same actress?
 What has she been doing?
 I don't know.
 Yeah, I don't know.
 I would love her.
 Yeah.
 Uh, Eric.
 Uh, I like their chemistry.
 So if we are getting more Kirk this season, I don't mind seeing them together again. Yeah.
 Yeah, I really like, like that.
 We got to learn that Jim's a bit of an army brat.
 Right. 

Like, he's, you know, him and Sam and, um, Winona, like, moved around a lot, whether he was post, whether George was posted to star bases or Jim wasn't born yet, unless he was born on the Kelvin, which if it didn't explode, it makes sense that he'd still be born on that ship. 

Um Because what are we, we would imagine that everything up to the Nerada 

happening has happened. 

So do you want me to explain? 

I actually know, I actually know. 

Uh So uh Winona had like, it was like something to like keep the basically like to extend the pregnancy so that they could get back to her like they were on their way back. 

Like what happened with the whole Nerada incident that kind of broke whatever the thing was like delaying it. 

And that's why she went into labor early because uh the different Kirks actually do have different uh birth dates. 

Uh So, so yeah, Kirk was actually born in, in Riverside. Yeah, so yeah, there you go. 

Um But it, it's still a cool fact like getting to learn that, you know, he was an army but he's been moved around a lot and um there's, there are, you know, you do miss out on, you know, seeing that family member who's in the service a little bit more than you would and there's probably some resentment for that, but the fact that he still respected what his dad did enough to follow both of them, follow in his footsteps and join Starfleet. 

I just like getting these little factoids about both the Kirk brothers. 

So, and it might also explain why uh uh Sam eventually goes into civilian uh married and has a son. 

Yeah. 

And is also why Kirk is so like pulled with David, you know, and I don't know what to do and so on. 

Yeah. 

Um we did talk about it a bit at the top of the show. 

We don't need to spend too much time on it, but um the Hemmer's presence, right? 

Is just felt considerably in this episode even when we don't get those recordings or zombie Hammer, right? 

Um And it's definitely that that root of tension between Pea and una when Una sees Pelly, right? 

She sees Hemmer. 

But instead of telling Pea that Una hides behind like excuses, like protocol and not following orders and that sea. 

Yeah, that see that Pella gave her at the academy um even the way that Uhura interacts with pale at the beginning of the episode, what do we think about these interactions at, at this hole that that hammer left? 

And you know, these scenes between Pelle and uno uh I thought it was a bit bullshit to be honest, like be professional. 

Iii I get it.
 I get what it brings.
 I get the emotional, I get how it, it builds us.
 Also, the attachments, the love they had for emer heer, how we can peek into their grief. 

But I, I mean, we've all, I don't know you but I've been in, in the point in my, like at work where you know, you replace people and sometimes because that person has passed and I'm not gonna hate on the new person. 

You need a freaking in chief engineer. 

I mean, uh will I be a little, a little bit like the other person was, would not have done that the other person would not have like, yeah, I would think it, but it's still your job. 

And I feel like, especially as a first officer, I found it kind of like women be women, be emotional, women be not able to like deal with like losing the man. 

You know, I was just like, are you kidding me? 

You really think una wu was as cool as a cucumber during her freaking trial, went in jail was like pre with like penal colony in like, but fuck nowhere neutral zone. 

You think she'd be like acting like a brat to the chief engineer. 

Like I, I it just, I like the dialogue and I like the, the how it was giving more like, like plot to, um, oh yeah. 

But I just was like, you don't see Pike doing that. You don't see Spock doing that. 

You see the two women doing it being emotional and shit. And I was just like, man, I would have loved something else. Yeah.
 Fair MC. 

I forgot to mention during the first scene with Pea with Aura, I like the moment where, you know, compliments, uh, Hammer as like a great engineer and she's like, I don't need that. 

It's because he's dead. 

I love it because it's so true. 

Yeah, it's very, very true. 

Um But as I alluded to at the beginning, I did not like the and, you know, resolution, I like, like them interacting with each other. 

And I think it could have just been that they have very different styles. 

Like we didn't need to tie it to Hemmer just because they decided that this was the Hemmer episode because it did seem to kind of just come out of nowhere and I've been racking my brain other than the scene where Hammer is trying to like teleport up the molten core of the planet or whatever uh were una and Hammer in any scenes together uh in the eeg kingdom. 

Neither of them remember that. 

Yeah. 

No, I know. 

But they are, they are too like they have like conversations at the beginning of, of um ghost of a as well. 

I'm just saying like it comes out to the left. 

This is, this is a big thing to it because I mean, has been on the ship for a while now you've been carrying this shit around this long for a character that we of all of the, did you, did you feel like una and Hammer had like this big connection with each other? 

We were actually thinking like at the beginning of the season that Spock might have this kind of reaction because Spock did have that kind of relationship with Hammer Spock. 

These are the characters that it makes sense to kind of, uh, brush up, uh, with, uh, pea because of their feelings about Hammer. 

But they heard and they don't put in everything. 

See, well, well, yeah, but, but I'm just, it, that it wasn't necessary that if you wanted these two to butt heads, there were plenty of other reasons and that's because plea is, is kind of a space hippie and una is very by the book. 

It doesn't have to be any, like, anything more than that, Eric. I wish they had kept it at.
 You gave me a bad grade.
 That's why I don't like you. 

Yes, absolutely. 

That would have been fine because that would have. 

Yes. 

Exactly. 

Because she's so, again by the book and she cares about those things. 

Um, it, it felt so tacked on the, the hammer thing and I, it, it, I didn't like it because again, like MC said, when did they ever show this sort of connection in the series? 

Hm. 

Never, even when he tried to beam up the sun, it was, she was just being, like, I, I got to save the ship. 

It's not like hammer, don't do it. I love you as a, as a friend.
 Um, didn't you get knocked out? I don't remember. 

She knocked him out. Right. 

She stunned him, I think, and then picked him up and I was very gay when that happened. 

Yeah. 

But like it, it, it just seemed like the wrong, like I kept keep the hammer stuff with her in this episode. 

It would have been just like, yeah, it was unneeded. 

I loved the sea line. 

I thought it was great. 

I think it was great for una like that's so una that's such an una thing to be pissed off about. 

I thought it was perfect. 

Um, I, I don't mind it just because I, I like that they got to have that interaction but yeah, I, I think you're absolutely right. 

Like you could have left it at the sea and that would have been fine. Um That being said with, with this going full circle with Hemmer.
 I do love that. 

We get that final shot of him at the end after they fixed everything even though it's not actually Hemmer though, but you just get to see Bruce Hora in the, in the makeup smiling. 

It's so beautiful and I just, I adored that I really did. Um Speaking of things that absolutely broke me. 

T OS T OS, the episode ends with another, I'm like getting teary eyed just saying this, I'm not getting very important meeting and that is between Spock and Kirk. 

So the episode ends with the Jim and Spock all at a bar table that, yeah, I have no problem admitting like I teared up both times. 

I've watched this episode episode just watching this, this scene. This just go off. 

I, I can't, I can't, I'm just going to talk about hammer a little bit. It gave me a leg kingdom, the end of all Asian kingdom. 

You know, you don't really know if it's really his daughter, you know, but it, it, it, it helps him grief. 

It, it helps him say goodbye and be not ok with it, but like move on in a positive way from his grief. 

And I said the same thing for like it's not really him, but at the same time it is him saying, telling her you did a good job and which like she wanted from him. 

And that's what he says also when he dies, you know, and I feel like it, it, it gives that character an ability to move from their trauma and from their grief in a positive way like it happened and, and now I know that they're ok or I know they're happy with my decision or something like that. 

And then they can move on. 

And that's why I think that we're not gonna go back to like the, I hope not to like u as trauma because this was the perfect the job. 

Now you can now, now you can. 

So, you know, the end scene broke me. 

I was so happy to see them sitting at a table and I'm gonna say I'm being a bitch for that, but I was kind of happy that was not here because she's the other, like, Legacy character. 

And I, and I think it's a problem because if they had, they hadn't pull all that bullshit with romance and so on, she could have been here without the tension. 

You put her at the table, there's a tension and this table, this moment is about the very deep friendship that is gonna last for like decades, you know, where they're gonna work together and save each other of a life and like, be here for each other from that moment until they freaking die. 

Right? 

Um, and, and I feel like it's too bad that in that moment we can have all of them and that's all because they wrote her in the way they wrote her and she should have been here. 

Yeah, she's part of this. 

She worked with them for freaking years, you know? And that's so sad.
 That was kind of sad to me.
 And I was like, oh, whoever, oh, you know, it's too bad. That bones is not here. 

And I was like, damn Chapple is on the ship. 

She should have been here and, and I'm glad they didn't do it because right now that would have been like, that would have made the scene totally different. 

But uh the moment where they shake their hand and they bond all together over the hatred of Sam being uh same, that is such a core memory. 

I hope that that shows up in an eulogy at one point or another. 

But um and they sit and they chat and, and you see, you see his story, you see Star Trek history, right? 

It's like the moment where Mariner and are at the bar and they see Spock and Kirk written on the table. 

I'm like, it's like the same thing I was like, oh my God, I saw the moment where like they will be on because burns is not on the bridge so often, but like they are all free all on the bridge all the time and I loved it. 

I loved it so much. 

Yeah, MC. 

Oh That handshake brings all the spurs to the yard. 

Uh This scene, I'm shocked at how affected I am by then. 

Now, maybe I'm not shocked by how affected I was by it. 

But I had such deep feelings for this scene. 

First of all, I realized that considering how much, you know, like people make up the Kirk and Spock relationship and I know like I know you cannot beat that. 

Whoa. 

Knew both of them first and I really like that. Yeah.
 Um I was not expecting it. 

Like I, I thought they were gonna tease it out, like because they just had like the your Vulcan friend reference and then at the very end, like you just see like Spock hand come in and like take the glass up first of all of all of the callbacks to have to episode 205. 

That's a good one.
 I want to always be cleaning up people's glasses. 

You know, he gives that energy though, you know, he is 1000% like being like, you know, like you go to pee during the night and you come back, your bed is done because like Spock was around and you're like the fuck, man. 

Why are you? 

Like, I, I eat and sometimes I'm like drinking a coffee and I put my coffee down how full I go to pick up something in the office come back and my like it's gone clean like in the cupboard and I'm like I was drinking a coffee. 

It's like very on brand II I feel that yeah, I have to admit but I, I do the whole thing.
 I don't do it if there's anything in it because that's rude, people might still be drinking it. 

But if there's, if there's an empty glass, like I'm somebody who's just like, I'm gonna clean that up. 

Uh but seeing like the first meeting like this, it gave me such uh Anakin Skywalker, meet Obi Wan Kenobi vibes like from the Phantom Menace, which I know people have their thoughts about the Phantom Menace. 

But that scene was good and this scene was just amazing to be able to see them meeting for the first time. 

And yes, I know, I kind of made a joke about that handshake but that handshake was powerful. 

Yeah, that was a firm handshake. Um That was a sexy handshake. 

Let's say it was, yeah, it was like a, it's like a handshake that will spark so much fan fiction, you know that and II I said that in chat today, I was like that, that handshake it's gonna live forever in gift form and just, you know, still like that's, that's never going anywhere. 

People are gonna put it that right up next to the shot of them in the motion picture holding hands. 

Oh my God. Yes.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, I know. Spark girls. 

I might not be one but I know how they think.
 Um And yeah, and Draff is completely right.
 They could have had chapel here but they couldn't because of what they've done. What have you done?
 What have you done, Eric?
 I, everything that these two have said.
 Um but also the music playing over this with the jazz band was perfect. 

Like there was nothing else I could imagine that um could have worked as as well as this, like just having that traveling band come on and just play, play in this one spot so that these three legendary characters could meet together. 

The only comparable thing other than the Anakin and OBI one example, which is perfect one was as a DC fan. 

When I saw Superman Batman and Wonder Woman on screen for the first time together, I hate Batman V Superman with a passion. 

But that seeing them together gave me so many chills and made me so happy that I turned into that eight year old boy. 

And that's sort of what this felt like. 

It felt like coming home like, oh yes, yes. Yeah, that's it.
 Coming home.
 That's exactly that. 

Yeah.
 Can we speak that the Enterprise as a live quartet? 

Like be like, I hope that he gets to see the quartet on the Cross and Enterprise D Vibes man and the chef like enterprise went through no women, no band. 

Oh my God.
 I mean the size of Hora's quarters. 

And can we speak also that like in like strange new world they're eating burgers and shit. 

And so under Kirk, they're eating food cubes. Like what happened?
 What happened?
 They have like beauty trouble with. 

He had a chicken sandwich like they have beautiful doing like umbrellas and drink enterprise. 

They have like all these like little plastic curbs cups that they go around with what happened, budgetary cuts, that's what happened. 

Um We're all we all do this podcast because we love Star Trek and Star Trek just means absolutely so much to me in my life. 

And it's, it's amazing when, when Star Trek is able to give you little scenes that a lot of people would probably think are inconsequential. 

But this is probably one of my favorite scenes of New Trek ever because like giraffe said, you're literally witnessing history because when you see them all sitting at that bar together for the first time, you're not just seeing them there at the bar for the first time. 

Your brain takes you to everything else that you've seen them do. 

Whether you're, you've been a fan since T OS first aired, whether you're A T and G baby, like me, whether you're watching Star Trek for the first time during the Kurtzman era of Trek, right? 

Like getting to see this moment where they become friends and, and I'm gonna disagree with you guys. 

I'm actually really happy that Chappell wasn't there even though she could have been because Draff, you said it, these three are on the bridge together all of the time. 

They are very close. 

And I think it was really important for, for this scene to be these three only um because we know everything that and, and listen, not to throw any shade Chappell's way because she's important to this crew, but she also wasn't on the ship as long, you know, like she does go her separate way. 

Like these people literally lived and died together. 

Um And I, I think it's really important and I just cannot say enough about this scene and it could have gone wrong. 

Like they could have put some silly, silly lines in there. They could have blocked it wrong.
 It was just, it was just perfection like I, I can't, oh I loved it. I loved it. 

I just say that considering we have Kirk and Spock meet bonding over Sam Kirk's messiness really means that somebody needs to do some sort of post episode story about operation annihilate because that episode is completely different now. 

Right.
 Right.
 Yeah, it is.
 It is uh any final thoughts on this one before we move on guys? Anything, anything we hope that it continues this way upwards. 

So believe in you. 

Speaking of upwards. 

I do have one. 

Yes. 

Go ahead. 

Um You were talking about how, well the, the horror esque shots were the director Dan Liu directed the Walking Dead. 

There you go.
 There you go.
 That's awesome.
 You know, zombie.
 He kind of a shout out. Yeah. 

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 

This was such a good episode, like out of this season. 

Like this is the six we've seen so far. 

Like we're not being shy about that. 

We've seen the six and this one is, is I think the second best one of the, the season for me, it's all again. 

It's exactly like what they were supposed to do.
 This is elevated T OS Explaining Canon, explaining backstories, bad ass beautiful. 

All that. 

That's perfect. 

Yep. 

Uh Let's read it. 

We'll go on our opposite order. 

Eric. 

You're reading out of 10 real home baked chocolate chip cookies. 

I'm trying to think of anything that I could take away from this and I can't, I can't really think of anything other than the chapel scene. 

I'll go, I'll go with 9.5 just because of that chapel scene fair. Yeah.
 Nine five.
 All right. 

MC. 

Uh I was gonna go for 95 as well because this is a really great episode, but I hate that scene and also my feelings back work. 

There you go.
 Yeah, I mean, like in my heart it's, it's a one big of a 10, beautiful IP everything I wanted. But I go for 9.5.
 Also.
 There are some stuff that I was just saying.
 Come on.
 Yeah.
 9.5 I'll be, I'll be me tonight. 

I'll give it, I'll give it the 10 that somebody else did. I'll give it a 10.
 It was wonderful.
 No, I didn't. 

And listen, I've been, I've been very harsh. 

So we should all our points at the end of this. 

We should, I'd actually like to know. 

I'd like to know. 

Yeah. 

10, 10 um MC giraffe have an amazing time at Comic Con. 

Uh Can't wait to hear all about it. 

Uh Remember to support the actors and the writers who are striking to get what they've earned and deserve without them. 

We don't get to talk about this show and all the other shows that we, I just want to say, don't bother them, don't bother the actors on Twitter. 

They literally cannot answer your, stop asking them about conventions and stuff, please. Not about conventions.
 Don't tag them and stuff about shows don't ask them when they come back.
 They don't have answers. 

Like let them let them do their strike, right? Um, Eric's on this one with us too. 

So I'm gonna say goodbye to him too, but I am gonna continue and we are going to get into the subspace to pull and mail bag, sir. 

And we asked Trek Twitter what they thought of episode 206 of strange new worlds lost in translation. 

And this is what they had to say. 

76% of you said fresh baked cookies because fresh baked cookies are the best cookies. 

15% of you said replicated cookies. 

And I mean, they're probably good but not as good as fresh baked. 

9% said, who leaves the full drink? 

By the way, this is a, a violation to an order, a drink at a bar and then leave it like three quarters of the way full violation violation and then 0% of you always a good sign. 

Blow me out the Nael. That's right. 

Uh Everybody seemed to pretty much enjoy this episode or love it, which is awesome because we loved it. 

As you could tell by listening to the pod. 

Speaking of the pod, let's get some mail bag from our awesome collective over on Discord. 

You guys put in a hefty mail bag this week, which is always awesome. 

So happy to see it. 

And I am going to start tonight with Eric the Reds who wrote what a return to form for strange new worlds in a classic T Os tng mystery episode with a character other than Spock. 

Good point. 

Love that we saw the rest of the crew involved with something and interacting with each other. 

Paul Wesley reminds me why Turk is awesome beyond the tropes that characters picked up over the decades. 

Sully was fabulous as a who is selling us, the characters continue dealing with grief and her linguistics abilities. 

That last scene is going to be a classic. 

Oh man, every time. 

And Dan Liu continues to show why he's one of the best directors on Trek at the moment. 

Definitely give this one a solid 8.5. 

Thank you, Eric. 

Moving on to our friend Riker tattoo A K A Commander Chris, one of our Eps. 

Now this is strange new worlds who Rick flair woo for you there. 

I loved not knowing what was real and what was possibly a hallucination. 

I was watching her and was saying it's in your head in your head. 

Hey, hey, hey, I sung it for you, my friend. 

That is for you. 

Um I'm sorry for everybody else. 

Uh We didn't get Schlemmer but we did get Zimmer 8.5 holes in Zimmer's face moving on to Haven. 

This was a solid episode from opening frame right down to the jazz piece. Closing out the end of the episode.
 This episode is exactly what I was hoping. 

Strange new worlds would be from the moment I first heard about it while listening to the Edge podcast over on Trek FM, I haven't had an episode that I immediately wanted to rewatch from the moment it ended in a long time. 

I think this will be my 1st 10 of the season. I think Toronto was a nine. 

Moving on to Michael Quan who wrote, I'm pinning this episode on Anitra Johnson's writing and heart. 

While the phrases, this is Star Trek or this is store trick always feels like gatekeeping to me because in the end, Star Trek is so much loss in translation has the feel of a core T OS episode where the dilemma is solved with a little science and a lot of heart and 

empathy. 

Jim Kirk's appearance here could have just been fan service, but it wasn't gratuitously written and helped us understand Sam Kirk a lot more and how Jim Kirk's relationship with aura grew from caring and understanding. 

Moving on to Jedi cat. They wrote. 

This was an overall solid episode that had the feel of classic Trek, a thriller blended with an emotional meditation on grief. 

Sully Rose Gooding gives an amazing star run. 

Paul Wesley continues to impress his James T. 

Kirk and the rest of the cast is batting 1000. 

The story had many a strong moment, especially the ending and the nitpicky details were few. 

One moment with Una and Peer came close to the caddy woman trope but Rebecca Romain and Carol Kane had great chemistry throughout Pike's temporary promotion of Flee. 

Captain came off as a story point that was inserted to satisfy existing Cannon. His first meeting with Kirk. 

It would have been interesting if the promotion was permanent and we saw Pike have a PTSD moment knowing the day of his accident was getting closer. 

I appreciated the stories addressing the mixed emotions about Pea replacing Hemmer, but it's a tad annoying that it took until episode six to get there. 

And I think that last scene with Pale and Una could have happened with a Hera in una place moving on to Tara. 

I get the, the limerick twice in two weeks.
 This makes me very happy.
 Uh I only got to watch this episode once but I was impressed with the mystery.
 I enjoyed seeing the whole cast well used and Kirk continues to grow on me and I 

thought this was a pretty inventive way to bring Hemmer back for some closure. 

I love Chaplin's box scene, but I was surprised that Laon didn't show up at the end to buy Kirk that drink. 

And now your weekly Limerick lost in translation. 

A stellar nursery is full of much needed deter but extra dimensional life forms are causing some delirium. 

Everyone's fave space hippie find sabotage. 

The solution turns out to be a torpedo barrage and aura is spared a trip to the sanatorium. 

Thank you, Tara.
 Those are beautiful as always and wrapping up tonight's mail bag with Yum Yum Pod. 

The episode overall was pretty good and felt like a step up from where we have been within the season. 

Sam Kirk is back and I love this little freak. 

What I like about Sam Kirk is that he is a perfect example of what makes a minor character work. 

We understand his deal very easily without needing to spend so much time on him. And I feel modern Trek doesn't embrace minor recurring characters enough. 

Is it weird that we've had two new engineers on the of the enterprise that are cool aliens who barely feature in the show at all? 

Pelly is fine, but I have not been convinced as to why Hammer couldn't have still been here rather than serve as a shocking death. 

Definitely something to think about Yum Yum Pod.
 I want to thank our amazing collective as always for your mail bag. Uh That's why we put it in this week even though we didn't go live. 

Uh It is always amazing to hear from you guys and uh having just watched uh our premiere with you. 

Thank you so much for tuning in. 

Speaking of tuning in, we will be back with our next episode. 

We will be reviewing episode two of 07. 

It is the strange new world's lower deck crossover. 

We cannot wait to talk to you about that one. 

If you go and watch the ready room, they have a clip of that right now. 

But uh we can't, we just, I mean, we're dying to talk to you guys about it. 

It is going to be awesome. 

So uh with that, I'm going to say good night. 

I will also say uh again, please support the writers and actors strike. 

Uh They really do need to, you know, keep fighting to get what they deserve. 

And then if you're at City of Comic Con run into MC, run into draft, they are there covering all things this weekend. 

So make sure you run into them. 

So for draft for MC for Eric, I am Julie and I will say live longer prosper ma good night. 

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